tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3881774.post4977802488708548655..comments2024-03-28T11:53:04.773-04:00Comments on Hamlette's Soliloquy: Is There a Pig Inside the House at Longbourne?Hamlette (Rachel)http://www.blogger.com/profile/11961916847426233995noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3881774.post-43395434087964865802021-09-19T14:56:26.553-04:002021-09-19T14:56:26.553-04:00Glad this was helpful for you!
I'm a big fan ...Glad this was helpful for you!<br /><br />I'm a big fan of seeing multiple adaptations of a book or play for exactly the reasons you stated -- they give me a fresh angle and make me see things in new ways. I love that.Hamlette (Rachel)https://www.blogger.com/profile/11961916847426233995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3881774.post-26499145946571204692021-09-19T14:42:30.411-04:002021-09-19T14:42:30.411-04:00Modern Morland, thank you for this insightful piec...Modern Morland, thank you for this insightful piece. I came across it very late (obviously - this is 2021!) but found it very helpful as I too had assumed <em>THE PIG IS IN THE HOUSE</em> and found that, well, startling to say the least :D So I'm grateful for your discerning eye.<br /><br />While 2005 isn't my favourite version, that's just me! I do like it for the alternate takes on Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01331627109545543186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3881774.post-49354055574581065642018-02-07T16:18:19.020-05:002018-02-07T16:18:19.020-05:00Modern Morland, I do get the frustration. I was i...Modern Morland, I do get the frustration. I was in my teens when the Austen movies sort of took over everything, but didn't become a real fan of hers until about fifteen years later when I re-read all the books in one year and started reading lots of critical essays about them, books about the history of her era, and so on.<br /><br />But yeah, it's hard when people don't bother Hamlette (Rachel)https://www.blogger.com/profile/11961916847426233995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3881774.post-15412589307605573422018-02-06T14:39:01.489-05:002018-02-06T14:39:01.489-05:00Oh, I definitely hear you. I saw the wave of mid-...Oh, I definitely hear you. I saw the wave of mid-90s Austen films comparatively young (11 or 12), so I hadn't read the books yet either. Ditto Jane Eyre. I guess I've just seen a lot of my students (I teach history) rave about Austen over the years, but many have never bothered to go back to the source. They come in wearing t-shirts with quotes attributed to Austen that were actually modernmorlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10313134228194259651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3881774.post-61386563428498090412018-02-06T14:08:51.251-05:002018-02-06T14:08:51.251-05:00Hello, Modern Morland!
I am also frustrated by ...Hello, Modern Morland! <br /><br />I am also frustrated by the way that Austen gets dismissed as "just romance" so often. The various filmed versions all seem to dwell on the romantic aspects, as love stories make for big box office and we all know it. <br /><br />I'm reminded a bit of the way that fans of the Sherlock Holmes canon get frustrated by fans of the BBC show <i>Hamlette (Rachel)https://www.blogger.com/profile/11961916847426233995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3881774.post-20753517447902471992018-02-06T12:19:57.445-05:002018-02-06T12:19:57.445-05:00I promise I'm not an Austen purist, although I...I promise I'm not an Austen purist, although I do appreciate fidelity to the text when it comes to Jane Austen's most iconic lines or best jokes. Because really, nobody can improve upon them by paraphrasing. But I genuinely can't abide the 2005 P&P, except for Rosamund Pike and Tom Hollander, both of whom I loved, and the soundtrack, which I bought immediately. Judi Dench oughtmodernmorlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10313134228194259651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3881774.post-56812278793074995722016-03-16T11:22:43.446-04:002016-03-16T11:22:43.446-04:00You're welcome, Jessica :-)You're welcome, Jessica :-) Hamlette (Rachel)https://www.blogger.com/profile/11961916847426233995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3881774.post-30565930448338521292016-03-16T11:04:40.244-04:002016-03-16T11:04:40.244-04:00Thanks so much, Hamlette, for pointing this out. ...Thanks so much, Hamlette, for pointing this out. I have a terrible eye for details in general--but even I could see, watching this scene, that the pig NEVER ACTUALLY CAME INTO THE HOUSE. And having everybody say that it DID gets really old after a while. Katie Hannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06818413749107653398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3881774.post-77786507761210191862015-11-09T08:19:52.334-05:002015-11-09T08:19:52.334-05:00You're most welcome, Mary! I know, it's h...You're most welcome, Mary! I know, it's horrible how many people ridicule and abuse this movie. They can get really unkind not just toward the movie, but toward anyone who enjoys it. I have little patience for such small-minded people. I myself quite like the '95 as well -- why on earth should it be a one-or-the-other proposition? I think mocking this movie makes some people feelHamlette (Rachel)https://www.blogger.com/profile/11961916847426233995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3881774.post-34071453810449043042015-11-08T22:53:46.158-05:002015-11-08T22:53:46.158-05:00THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS. I've heard a lot o...THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS. I've heard a lot of people who are upset about the pig supposedly being in the house, so seeing this was wonderful. I love P&P 2005, although I am unfortunately very lonely in those sentiments. I understand why people love the '95 version, but many people who do tend to drag the '05 version through the mud, so to speak. I guess I just wished they would m a r y l i zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14505343613442203117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3881774.post-22781427474361044842014-10-03T17:31:03.285-04:002014-10-03T17:31:03.285-04:00Thanks! I did have fun writing it, analyzing the ...Thanks! I did have fun writing it, analyzing the set and such.<br /><br />I do understand why the 95 is beloved. It was what sort of initiated the whole Janeism fervor that's been going on ever since. It was way cooler than any other TV costume drama up until that time. And it is exceedingly faithful to the text, which is what a lot of people insist on.Hamlette (Rachel)https://www.blogger.com/profile/11961916847426233995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3881774.post-49472710516737722202014-10-02T20:43:43.374-04:002014-10-02T20:43:43.374-04:00Great post! I love it when fans analyze movies/bo...Great post! I love it when fans analyze movies/books/TV shows like this post did, so it was a fun read. Even if the pig HAD been in the house, P&P 2005 would still be my favorite adaption of the book...I really don't get all the hype over the 1995 adaption.Evahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00992633823859430981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3881774.post-19748891497481908502013-08-20T15:47:00.934-04:002013-08-20T15:47:00.934-04:00I am coming to believe that you, like me, are not ...I am coming to believe that you, like me, are not a "purist." Hamlette (Rachel)https://www.blogger.com/profile/11961916847426233995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3881774.post-71973307040561427062013-08-20T14:34:38.370-04:002013-08-20T14:34:38.370-04:00As far as adaptations/interpretations/whatever, I ...As far as adaptations/interpretations/whatever, I think that even when filmmakers are adapting a story, they have the right and indeed the obligation to create something new. Apparently someone saw the book this way, and I don't think that's wrong. I enjoyed this version even though it's not my favorite. If they want to roughen up the Bennets' place a little, it doesn't make Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14777243283548102053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3881774.post-35226732107537714312013-08-19T19:28:35.972-04:002013-08-19T19:28:35.972-04:00All adaptations are an interpretation of sorts. O...All adaptations are an interpretation of sorts. Or are any and all movies of, say, Shakespeare that do not take place in the times Shakespeare set them in also hopelessly wrong? In the case of <i>Hamlet</i>, we'd have to throw out all but possibly Zeffirelli's 1990 version, which is closer to feudal Denmark than most. <br /><br />One way filmmakers get us to pay attention to a story isHamlette (Rachel)https://www.blogger.com/profile/11961916847426233995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3881774.post-80705966834704993852013-08-19T18:09:04.774-04:002013-08-19T18:09:04.774-04:00Cough. Well, they certainly achieved making it dif...Cough. Well, they certainly achieved making it different from P&P95. And interesting would be one way of putting it. ;P Obviously though, they were wanting to make something new and different and Not Actually Like P&P. An 'interpretation', you know.<br />To be honest, I don't think the perfect adaptation is out there yet. But I fear it never will be, and I'm happy with Melodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05676306236172688321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3881774.post-26218375791336341452013-08-19T17:57:28.812-04:002013-08-19T17:57:28.812-04:00Not such a great eye -- I thought the swing was ri...Not such a great eye -- I thought the swing was right next to the house, and when I skimmed through it to find this moment, I realized it's actually between two barn-looking buildings. Oh well.<br /><br />I think this version captured the story, the characters, and the themes really well, and presented them in a vital and intriguing new way. One of these days, I'll watch the '95 Hamlette (Rachel)https://www.blogger.com/profile/11961916847426233995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3881774.post-60554432828610247742013-08-19T17:49:44.401-04:002013-08-19T17:49:44.401-04:00Lol. Well, this post is kind of there to provide ...Lol. Well, this post is kind of there to provide a ranting place for all sides, lol.<br /><br />I suspect one of the reasons they set it back farther is so that they could make a different movie from the '95. Otherwise it would just be the same thing over again, in a way, and they wouldn't be making something new and interesting.Hamlette (Rachel)https://www.blogger.com/profile/11961916847426233995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3881774.post-9609346739475185172013-08-18T03:03:48.138-04:002013-08-18T03:03:48.138-04:00Great eye, Hamlette! I hadn't really analyzed ...Great eye, Hamlette! I hadn't really analyzed it but can agree with you without any problem. :) I read a lot of articles when this movie came out and so many were upset at how the filmmakers portrayed the Bennets and their household. I confess that it never bothered me one bit. For all that I like the "refined" versions, this one definitely has the family, and especially the sistersKarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09590701834142754842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3881774.post-52071472009189072092013-08-17T22:29:22.252-04:002013-08-17T22:29:22.252-04:00Yep, I realize the styles and everything are quite...Yep, I realize the styles and everything are quite different... but that's one of the things I dislike about the movie. Jane Austen REVISED the book in the year before it was published, and evidently changed a lot of things (even with the story, perhaps--I mean, the original was in epistolary form!) and since it was completely rewritten and updated, 1813 (or '12 or '11) is when it Melodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05676306236172688321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3881774.post-40006680482918331362013-08-17T21:26:27.732-04:002013-08-17T21:26:27.732-04:00The 2005 version is actually set in 1797, so it...The 2005 version is actually set in 1797, so it's pre-Regency by a bit. That was the year that Austen finished the first draft of the book, and according to <a href="http://www.jasna.org/persuasions/on-line/vol27no2/dole.htm" rel="nofollow">this article</a>, the filmmakers chose to put it a bit earlier than most Austen dramatizations because it allowed them to avoid the Empire fashions and Hamlette (Rachel)https://www.blogger.com/profile/11961916847426233995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3881774.post-82158212810743984212013-08-17T20:11:37.459-04:002013-08-17T20:11:37.459-04:00Ha, well, in my opinion, Longbourn-as-portrayed-in...Ha, well, in my opinion, Longbourn-as-portrayed-in-this-movie in its entirety is a very unrealistic residence for the Bennets. It gives the feeling of a dilapidated farmhouse-- I do not care how much we Janeites like to over-civilize the Regency period inf indeed we do; Jane Austen's Bennets would not have lived there.<br />;)Melodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05676306236172688321noreply@blogger.com